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A website devoted to defending, promoting and providing for Vatican II in humility and prayer. Please join our prayer warriors to bring God’s grace to all souls. Check out the Defending Vatican II tab for our apologetics or links to other great resources. Check out the general book/website review tab also. (If you like something please share or like) See below for a list of our recent posts.
Open Letter of Exhortation to those Discouraged — Hope against Hope
Vatican II may look bad. It may smell bad. It may be ugly. (not saying it is but it may be to some) Yet, it is our ugliness. By being small, great things happen. Jesus sat with the sinners. He ate and drank with tax collectors. Jesus’ apostles betrayed him. But, they were his. Vatican II is our council -our generation. Where else are the words of eternal life? Will God grant victory to small Judas Maccabee if he plans his own war? Or will Judas win by charging full throttle forward without looking back – by hoping against hope? Risk the contradiction. It is not by having the best council that the goal will be achieved, but by moving forward with the council given to us by God. 5 Popes, 3 of them saints, more than 50 years, continuous implementation and promotion of Vatican II by the Popes and what do we have? God’s will. Yes, things may change in the future for a different direction. Yes, the past looked somewhat different. But, the same Spirit animates them all and it is the Present we are called to be faithful too. What is that present calling you to do from the mouth of the Popes? If you don’t like the Popes. Okay – you don’t have too. Yet, still do what they say. That will grant you holiness and your heart will be satisfied. If you think something has been taken away, you can only get it back through prayer and obedience. That will grant the conversion of hearts. If you think Vatican II looks bad – Hope against Hope. Be a father who thinks that sacrificing a son will grant him back again. Or a obedient son that allows himself to be sacrificed. If you think Vatican II is not all so great, trust in God – enact it and see that holiness and love will be given back even if you cannot see it. Be not afraid!
The Basic Idea – The Website’s Thesis
Proverbs 22:28 Remove not the ancient landmark which your fathers set up (NAB)
Ironically, the proverb commonly quoted to critique Vatican II’s adaptations to meet the demands of modern times can now be used in its defense. What this website argues is that Vatican II did not break with tradition. In fact, since the last 3 Popes and vast majority of all bishops have been explicitly pro Vatican II it is (always has been since beginning) part of the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium of the church as an ecumenical council in its teaching authority. Thus, its contents (all parts) are guarded against grave error by that very fact even in its non-infallible teachings. Vatican II did not make any dogmatic pronouncements extraordinarily because its contents are part of the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium of the church in line with previous generations and so guarded by the Holy Spirit from error. What this website seeks is to humbly learn from what God has given the modern world through dialogue and prayer. Since, 3 Popes after the council have supported it as the pastoral approach to meet the world’s demands we can say that it is now the ancient landmark which should not be moved indiscreetly except by those whom the authority has been given.
Are texts with titles like – Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, Lumen Gentium – Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation, Dei Verbum —- Pastoral? No, they would not be Dogmatic then but Pastoral Constitutions.
Read Point 22 in the Syllabus of Errors! The following point is in error. “22. The obligation by which Catholic teachers and authors are strictly bound is confined to those things only which are proposed to universal belief as dogmas of faith by the infallible judgment of the Church.—Letter to the Archbishop of Munich, “Tuas libenter,” Dec. 21, 1863.” — You can’t only accept extraordinary teaching but must also accept ordinary teaching, which all ecumenical council fall under, even the pastoral ones of the medieval ages and Vatican II with religious submission. Even though religious submission is different than the assent of faith it is still gravely serious.
Cardinal Ratzinger: “To defend the true tradition of the Church today means to defend the Council … And this today of the Church is the documents of Vatican II, without reservations that amputate them and without arbitrariness that distorts them” (The Ratzinger Report, p. 31)
Le Nouvel Esprit https://www.lenouvelesprit.com/vatican-ii – In depth articles on Vatican II, which include topics such as hermeneutics and Dignitatis Humanae “The task of Le Nouvel Esprit is to develop a middle position (between radical traditionalism and the view that Vatican II did not go far enough in reforms) that accepts the validity of Vatican II and that it is not a rupture from prior Catholic teachings. Our position starts with the profession that Vatican II is a gift of the Holy Spirit to the whole of humanity. This must be the starting point to understand the Council. Within this perspective our investigations are undertaken. “
Hope in Mercy with Fr. Michael Gaitley – YouTube – Fr. Gaitley call Vatican II a rock for our time!
Why Catholics Can’t Reject Vatican II w/ Timothy Gordon – YouTube Matt Fradd interviews Timothy Gordon ” – When I check into Vatican II (in disputed points) it gets way better..”
Vatican II – YouTube Series from Archidiacre. The Subsistit video and the Religious Liberty videos translated into English are great finds
This one is a food for thought piece. Pope Pius VI condemned the following proposition as heretical.
I. The proposition that “in recent centuries there has been a general obscuration on the most important truths of religion and that they are the basis of the faith and morality of the doctrine of Jesus Christ” -Heretical. Bolla Auctorem fidei (Roma, 28 agosto 1794) (vatican.va)
If someone every tries to tell you that holiness is not accessible in the Church unless it radically changes its ways and you have to shun almost everything that is currently practiced – think of the above quote.
End to the pachamama debate. Watch the video of the event. (Link Here) Go to 13:20 and listen when the woman gives the statue to Francis and says Our Lady of the Amazon. The Statue was Mary with Christ in her womb – no idol worship. The latter Vatican remark about it not being Mary has been misquoted. The women leader’s latter statement can be reconciled to the faith. (See the full article here)
Word on Fire Q and A on Vatican II. Link Here
“The Second Vatican Ecumenical Council has been a gift of the Spirit to his Church. For this reason it remains a fundamental event not only for understanding the Church’s history at this end of the century, but first and foremost for exploring the abiding presence of the risen Christ beside his Bride in the course of world events.” ( The Celebration of the Great Jubilee 27 February 2000)
— Pope St. John Paul II
Does a Teaching Need to be a Dogma Extraordinarily Proclaimed to be Binding or Guarded from Grave Error? Can Something only Part of the Ordinary (and not Universal) Magisterium be a Grave Error?
“The theologians seem to agree that, although the guarantee of infallibility applies in its strictest sense only to the exercise of the extraordinary magisterium, that is, to ex cathedra pronouncements, yet in the exercise of his powers of the ordinary Magisterium, the Pope has the protection and guidance of the Holy Spirit, at least to the extent that Almighty God would not allow him to make a serious mistake in teaching the universal Church.” (Papal Social Principles: A Guide and Digest, Fr. Thomas J. Harte, C.Ss.R., Ph.D., Bruce Publishing Co., 1956). For a lot more quote translate this page to English Erros graves do Vaticano II? – Apologista Católicos (apologistascatolicos.com.br)
“[The Council] has invested its teachings with the authority of the supreme ordinary magisterium, which ordinary magisterium is so obviously authentic that it must be accepted with docility and sincerity by all the faithful, according to the mind of the Council as expressed in the nature and aims of the individual documents.”
— Pope St. Paul VI
“The tensions that developed after the Council are not surprising to those who know the whole history of the Church. It is a historical fact that whenever there is an outpouring of the Holy Spirit as in a general council of the Church, there is always an extra show of force by the anti-Spirit or the demonic. Even at the beginning, immediately after Pentecost and the descent of the Spirit upon the apostles, there began a persecution and the murder of Stephen. If a general council did not provoke the spirit of turbulence, one might almost doubt the operation of the third Person of the Trinity over the assembly.” Treasure in Clay by Bishop Sheen.
Recent Posts and Reviews
Just as the words Dogmatic Constitution and Decree would suggest Vatican II did teach doctrine. Check out how many times it says it is teaching in the first paragraph which means the rest are also teaching! Lumen Gentium #14 “This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself uponContinue reading “Locations (List) Where Vatican II Says it is Teaching the Faithful (Not Just Pastoral)”
Was Vatican II Merely Pastoral with Michael Lofton – YouTube In this video, Michael Lofton dispels the myth that Vatican II was both doctrinal and pastoral, just as Scripture can be both pastoral and doctrinal. He goes through points showing that the moral and doctrinal points in Vatican II were not just wish-wash but hadContinue reading “Was Vatican II Just Pastoral? Reason and Theology”
This is an Epic book! – Highly recommend. It has brought wonders to my life and so many others. To Jesus through Mary. In addition to 33 days to Morning Glory I have read both St. Luis de Montfort’s True Devotion and The Marian Vow by FI Fr. Stefano M. Manelli. Although I got aContinue reading “33 Days to Morning Glory – Vatican II”
Cette «Súmula» par Nelson Sarmento répond aux principales objections qui sont communément faites par les lefebvristes et les sedevacantistes en opposition au Concile Vatican II. Réfutation des objections contre le Concile Vatican II — + Archidiacre + In this great article you will find the following answers 1. The revelation would have been completed at crucifixionContinue reading “Réfutation des objections contre le Concile Vatican II — + Archidiacre +”
Review of Taylor Marshal on Pope Francis and Vatican II with Michael Lofton – YouTube Now I don’t agree with everything that Michael Lofton says, but he makes some very very great points. He goes into detail showing how Dr. Taylor Marshall drops the ball on Vatican II and Pope Francis. He shows that sayingContinue reading “Reason and Theology Review of Dr. Taylor Marshall on Pope Francis and Vatican II”
Who Is Right About Vatican 2? – YouTube Timothy Gordon does not disagree fundamentally with their view that Dr. Taylor Marshall is wrong about Vatican II, but he does offer some distinction and perhaps leans in a slightly more reserved sense. I point this out as another great watch if you want to find outContinue reading “Timothy Gordon Responds to Richard DeClue and Chris Plance on Vatican II and Dr. Taylor Marshall”
“[F]rom the moment of its conception life must be guarded with the greatest care while abortion and infanticide are unspeakable crimes.” (Gaudium et spes, 51)
“We believe that this one true religion subsists in the Catholic and Apostolic Church, to which the Lord Jesus committed the duty of spreading it abroad among all men.” (Dignitatis humanae, 1)
“This religious submission of mind and will must be shown in a special way to the authentic magisterium of the Roman Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex cathedra; that is, it must be shown in such a way that his supreme magisterium is acknowledged with reverence, the judgments made by him are sincerely adhered to, according to his manifest mind and will. His mind and will in the matter may be known either from the character of the documents, from his frequent repetition of the same doctrine, or from his manner of speaking.” (Lumen gentium, 25)
“Vatican II happened 50 years ago, but it surely doesn’t belong to the past, its light still leads the Church through the darkness of her journey today”
— Cardinal Zen
“The Second Vatican Council was an extraordinary time of reflection, dialogue and prayer which aimed to renew the gaze of the Catholic Church on herself and on the world. [It involved] a reading of the signs of the times in view of an update oriented by a twofold faithfulness: faithfulness to the ecclesial tradition and faithfulness to the history of the men and women of our time.”
— Pope Francis
“There was no need to re-examine the deposit of faith, as councils usually did, but there was need to look at it and find new ways for the Church to exercise her mission more effectively. . . . The Second Vatican Council is therefore a missionary council. It was called not directly to change the Church, so that she could catch up with a tortured world, but rather to change that world.”
— Cardinal Francis George, OMI
(I do respect other opinions, I myself get things wrong. I hope these can be taken in a gesture of good will if you disagree with the contents.) Consider these pictorial arguments. I am not making light of opposing views as if they were uneducated. This is just some fun.
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